Regular reports of my grabber activity and that of others, plus information on QRSS software, hardware and technique that comes my way

Thursday, April 25, 2019

Observing the 2019 Lyrids Meteor Shower using KIWI-SDR Receivers

I have previously described on this blog use of receivers on the KIWI-SDR network to make a QRSS grabber,
In this post I will describe the use of the KIWI's to record meteor pings using signals from WWV on 25 MHz and CHU on 14.7 MHz.  This is not QRSS but let me explain.

A group of the QRSS Knights in the UK have been able to record pings from their network of 10m QRSS signals.  It was my intention to join them during the recent Lyrids by using KIWI receivers around southern England where the QRSS transmitting stations are located but, alas, nothing was seen during two nights of observations.  The problem seems to have been with the lack of sufficiently strong pings as the UK stations that had previously seen good pings saw just one this year.

To see what the 2019 Lyrids looked like I decided to use signals from WWV and CHU as received by  KIWI receivers nearby on the day after the predicted peak.

For the WWV signal I chose two stations in New Mexico and one in Utah while for CHU a single station in New Hampshire was selected.  The choices were based on Signal to Noise Ratio data provided at the website operated by IS0KYB.  Here's a map of the stations involved:

Figure 1.  Location of Stations Used in This Experiment

The distances involved were:

WWV to Corrine, UT               373 mi/600 km
WWV to Albuquerque, NM     381 mi/625 km
WWV to Las Cruces, NM        577 mi/930 km
CHU   to Pittsford, VT             189 mi/304 km

Here's a grab showing typical pings for all stations:

Figure 2.  10 Minute Grab Showing Meteor Pings for All Stations

A comparison of pings shown in Figure 2 needs several comments.  Firstly, Las Cruces is  about  100 miles further away from WWV than Albuquerque yet has more and stronger pings.  This is simply because the former has a better antenna and lower local noise.  I also noted that a significant ping from Alb. usually coincided with a strong ping from Las Cruces. 

Secondly, Comparing Corrine, UT to Las Cruces the ping densities are similar when allowing for the different distances but those from Corrine are short and choppy while those from Las Cruces are much longer lasting.  This might be due to the path directions, i.e., East-West vs North-South but I have no reference for this.

Thirdly, the pings between CHU and Vermont are stronger and longer lasting.  The distance is much shorter that from those out West and as frequency goes lower pings last longer since higher electron densities are needed to support reflections at higher frequencies.

If you would like to read more about meteor pings and their signatures this is a good paper  on the subject by Peter Martinez, G3PLX.

In conclusion it appears there were plenty of rocks from the 2019 Lyrids stream but the strength and density must not have been sufficient to produce pings from the 100 to 200 milliwatt QRSS transmitters in the 10m UK network.


Take a look at the study I did using a local QRSS station, KD5SSF, during the 2018 Geminids Meteor Shower which covered several days before and after the predicted peak.  It gives some idea of the statistical nature of showers for which in this case the predicted peak did not occur on December 23 but a day later.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

Tuesday, February 19, 2019

Using receivers on the KIWI SDR Network as remote grabbers

I had seen the KIWI SDR Network before but didn't realize just how good the receivers are.  After some experience I find that they are generally as good as a "real" receiver and by that I mean a standard HF transceiver such as my TS-440 or TS-480.  I feed the audio from a KIWI receiver into Spectrum Lab and end up with a grabber that looks and works  like the grabber with which I've had success over the years.

The above link will tell you how to find and log onto a given receiver which will open a screen like this one at EA2CQ, after selecting a few parameters in the control panel at lower right :

Figure 1.  KIWI SDR Display

Here is a more detailed view of the important parts:

Figure 2. Setup Details

First, enter the frequency of the center of the QRSS spectrum in the box at the upper left.  For the center frequency I use 100 Hz below the lower edge of the WSPR band which for 40m is 7039.9 kHz.  Then choose "cw" which will select a filter width, 400 Hz which is just right to cover 300 Hz of QRSS plus 100 Hz of WSPR.  I find being able to see some WSPR helpful when there might not be QRSS signals coming thru to have some idea if the band is open or maybe the KIWI station is using a poor antenna, etc.  Note at the top left the filter is shown centered on the frequency chosen.  You may have to use the mouse wheel to adjust the width of the spectrum.  Roll the wheel forward away from you to narrow the spectrum and backward toward ;you to make the spectrum wider.  Start with a narrow view to ensure the frequency is 100 Hz below the WSPR band edge.  You can then widen the spectrum to see what around and in fact go all the way to 0 to 30 MHz coverage without affecting the cw filter.

Then click on "Auto Scale" which usually makes a nice contrastl.  Finally, select a slower speed with "Slow Dev" which has 5 steps.  I find "Slow" or "1 Hz" works best.  These adjustments should give a nice image but you can play with the other controls for tweaking as desired.

At this point you should hear the audio from QRSS/WSPR around 500 Hz.  Now, direct this to your sound card and feed that into a waterfall/specturm analyzer such as Argo or Spectrum Lab you have a working grabber whose images can be uploaded to a web page just as you do with a receiver in your shack....except it is coming from a remote receiver.  Here is an example using a KIWI receiver I like in Tabov, Russia just west of Volgograd:

Figure 3.  Resulting QRSS Grabber Using Spectrum Lab

KIWI SDR is designed to produce audio for the speaker of your computer and it may be tricky to direct this to the sound card.  I use Windows 7 and had to enable Stereo Mix which is sometimes called "Recording What You Hear".  Right click on the speaker icon and select "Recording Devices" then right click on a blank area in the pane and ckeck "Show Disabled Devices" and "Show Disconnected Devices".  Click on Stereo Mix and enable it.  Then in the Audio Device selection of you spectrum analyzer (Argo or Spectrum) select Stereo Mix.

Now you should have a working grabber which I refer to as a "Hybrid Grabber."  This link will show you a map of all known receivers on the KIWI SDR Network.  Click on one and you're off and running.

I now have four images on my grabber.  The third one down is dedicated to KIWI SDR.  As you can see it looks just like the others that come from my Kenwood transceivers.

If you have problems my email is

de bill w4hbk

* Select cw mode with receiver set for a cw note of 500 mode is actually in USB
** Offset based on a cw beat note of 500z

ps   here is a table of settings for each band:

QRSS Grabber Settings*

Band WSPR Low Edge QRSS Center Frequency Waterfall Offset**
80m 3570.0 kHz 3569.9kHz 3569.4 kHz
40m 7040.0 7039.9 7039.4
30m 10140.1 10140.0 10139.5
20m 14097.0 14096.9 14096.4
17m 18106.0 18105.9 18105.4
15m 21096.0 21095.9 21095.4
12m 24926.0 224925.9         24925.4
10m 28126.0 28125.9 28125.4

Friday, January 25, 2019

Quadrandids Meteor Shower Pings using QRSS Radio Technique

This is similar to the previous post about the Geminids Meteor Shower.  The difference is that I counted the number of 2 hour periods with a ping   In the previous study I noted if there was a ping or pings in a given 10 minute grab and then weighted it by a factor of 2 or 3 depending on how brightness and duration of pings.  I then totaled the pings counted is this way for 1 hour periods.  I think, or hope, this better represents the time history of the shower.

Experimental Technique

The stability of modern QRSS equipment is such that most signals on the Waterfall Display fall almost exactly on top on each other thanks to the design of the U3S QRSS transmitters available from QRP Labs.

This is considered a Bi-Static Radar.  The transmitting station is KD5SSF located in Pensacola, FL running about 200 milliwatts to an inverted V antenna.  The receiving station is W4HBK using an inverted V located 10 miles south in Gulf Breeze, FL.  I rotated the receiving antenna to minimize KD5SSF's

Figure 1 is a typical grab without evidence of any pings.   There are a few artifacts near the trace but they do not have the signature of a ping which is generally a fuzzy, displaced line parallel to the original trace.  Figure 2 is a grab taken during the shower to illustrate how I counted pings.

Figure 1.  Grab of KD5SSF without Pings

Figure 2.  Typical 10 Minute Grab with Pings
Note the marks at 2 minute intervals.  I noted if there was evidence of any ping in each interval and in this case there is for all 4 intervals so I assigned a "4" to this 10 minute period or grab.  The absence of signal from 10:40 to 10:42 is a cooling off period to avoid overheating of the U3S's final transistors.

There are problems with interference from other radio signals plus the echoes from aircraft activity at the Pensacola airport located between KD5SSF and myself, Figure 3.

Figure 3.  Airplane Interference

The actual counting was done by overlaying KD5SSF's signal on the screen of the display with Matte Finish Scotch Tape© and marking the 2 minute intervals.  Tape is perfectly clear and does not stick permanently.  Nevertheless, don't leave the tape on any longer than necessary as it might mar or damage the display..

Figure 4 is the a table of my counts.  The left column is the UTC hour interval and the right column is the counts for each 10 minute interval.  For example, look down the hour column to "04-05".  In the first 10 minute interval I counted 0 pings then 1, 1, 1, 0 and finally 3 in the 6th for a total of 6.

Figure 4.  Table of Counted Pings

Results and Discussion

Figure 5 is the histogram of UTC hour vs pings counted for each hour which illustrates the activity over a 24 hour period during this experiment.

Figure 5.  Results
Based on the hype I read before the shower I was expecting to see a sharp peak around 0300z but as you can see the pings were well below average at that time.  Instead, the peak is at about 0900z....what's up?

I should have read the "hype" a little more closely.  The Quadrantids is in a very narrow stream and should have produced a very high number of meteors around 0300z for observers in Europe and North Africa.  The radiant is near the Bootes constellation which at 0300z would have been just below the horizon at my QTH in Florida so that I would have missed the main peak.

There are two effects going on here.  First, the hourly meteor rate is falling off just as the peak comes into view.  Secondly, the radiant rises into view for me and like most meteor showers peaks between midnight and dawn when it was at its highest point in the sky around 0900z.  Figure 6 illustrates the effect.
Figure 6.  Effect of Radiant View on Meteor Stream

I don't know why there is a minor peak on the extreme left.  There must have been more structure to the stream than just a simple, sharply peaked bell shaped curve.

I reviewed the images and can see no blatant source of error.  In fact I probably under-counted pings due to rejecting frames with too many airplane reflections and QRM from the Cyprus radar that lasted from 0520 to 0720z


This is the second recording of pings using the somewhat subtle Doppler shifts occurring on a QRSS signal being observed and recorded using a waterfall display.  The fact that both follow the expected rise and fall of pings I believe validates this technique.  I see no reason why the ping rates I observe are not at least proportional to the true ping rates.  What's amazing to me is that this can be done with a simple transmitter running just 200 mW and modest antenna and receiving equipment.

The only drawback is that the two stations need to be at just the right distance so that the ground wave signal is not so strong as to overpower the receiver and thus reduce the sensitivity to the weaker Doppler signal.  It is also possible to rotate antennas and/or use opposing polarizations to obtain a "just right" signal level.

Wednesday, January 16, 2019

QRSS Signals as Indicators of Sporatic E

This is a quick compilation of observations taken during a Sporatic E opening recently on 10m.  I initially noted a fuzzy broadening on the signal of KD5SSF who is located 10 miles north of me and having seen it before thought that the only thing to cause it was reflections from a turbulent layer "up there".  On this occasion I had the presence of mind to check with the Sporatic E map provided online by G7IZU, which is compiled from reported QSOs on 10m and above.  Figure 1 is one of the maps showing the QSOs:

Figure 1.  G7IZU Sporatic E Map

The signal of KD5SSG observed at the same time is shown in Figure 2:

Figure 2.  KD5SSF Signal with Suspected Es Broadening
There is also a ionogram from the GIRO sounder 40 miles to the east of me which may also be showing ing reflections from an Es layer, Figure 3:

Figure 3.  Ionospheric Sounder from Eglin AFB 40 Miles to the East

Note in particular the reflections recorded along the bottom most trace...the others above it are roundtrip reflections which usually indicates a strong reflection.

My QRSS grabber was active on 10m at this time and the map shown at looked like this"

Figure 4.  WSPR Spots Taken During the Es Opening

Putting it all together I think the broadening of KD5SSF's signal is caused by backscatter from an overhead Sporatic E cloud at a height of 100 km which is the average height of the E layer.  Also, the ionogram trace is showing the Es activity.  At least this is my guess at this time.

If you are close to a QRSS station and see a similar broadening it may be an indication that a Sporatic E layer is overhead.  

Tuesday, December 25, 2018

Meteor Pings on 30m Using a QRSS Signal from a Local Station

UPDATE on 25Jan2019   I just scanned 24 hours of ten minute grabs a found only 5 or 6 possible weak pings.  Plenty of airplane trails but no impressive pings.  At this time there we are in between meteor showers and that's how it should be.  I believe this further substantiates the technique described herein.

I am fortunate in having a local QRSS station about 10 miles north of my QTH.  The signal arrives via ground wave and is of moderate strength so as not to overload the waterfall display of my 30m grabber.  Patches of fuzz have were noted during the 2018 Leonids above and below the groundwave trace which I concluded are caused by backscatter from meteors.  The following observations were conducted during the December Geminids.

Meteors occur when the meteoroid (space rock) reaches the E layer where the atmospheric density is high enough to heat the rock to incandescence and produce a trail of ions and free electrons.  The recombination rate of electrons is relatively slow and allows reflection of radio waves up to a number of minutes.  The trail lasts longer as frequency goes lower.  Meanwhile the ion trail drifts with the resident winds resulting in a Doppler shift in the incident radio wave which is large enough to be seen relative to the trace of the incident signal on a waterfall display.  Figure 1 is from my 30m grabber showing the fskcw signal from KD5SSF along with a typical meteor ping and airplane reflection.

Figure 1.  Meteor Ping on KD5SSF's FSKCW QRSS Signal

During the recent Geminids I was doing an experiment with WD4AH to look for meteor pings from his signal with no thought of using the signal of KD5SSF. While looking for pings from WD4AH I could not help but notice the frequent pings on SSF whose frequency was about 10 Hz away.  I archive my 10 minute grabs and had available six days of data before, during and after the Geninids and decided to count all the pings and see if data could be presented in some way to yield information about the shower.  And lo and behold it did, as I shall now describe.

Pings vary from just a brief smudge to a lengthy, bright feature.  I considered only whether or not a ping was noted on a given 10 minute grab and made no effort to distinguish multiple pings on that frame.  I also tried to account for the stronger pings by assigning values of 1 for the regular ones and 2 and 3 for the progressively stronger ones.

Interference can produce "false pings" due to airplane reflections, other QRSS signals and pulses that come from Lord knows where,  The false pings can be identified relatively easily by their characteristic shapes.  For example, airplane reflections have a constantly curving shape which is sharp and distinct. Likewise the keying characteristics of other QRSS stations will be different from that of KD5SSF.  Most noise pulses will usually be spread across the frequency axis.  A possible ping was rejected when I could not be certain.  If anything I think I under estimated the number of pings.  The fsk keying of SSF's signal was a help also since the ping would follow the up and down shifts  which the other QRM would not.

A total of 122 ping events was counted and entered into a Google spreadsheet and grouped in several ways.  Figure 2 is a count of pings for each day.  Figure 3 is a histogram plot of pings versus time of day by dividing the 24 hours of time into 11 bins and totaling the number of pings in each bin for the six day period.  The scale is a little strange since it is divided 24 by 11 but you can see clearly that the maximum number of pings over the six day period was greatest between roughly 0900z to 1130z which is about 2 or 3 hours before Sunrise local time.

Figure 2.  Pings for Each Day

Figure 3.  Pings vs Time of Day

Figure 4.  Pings per Four Hour Period

I then counted the pings in successive four hour periods from the beginning to the end of the recording period, Figure 4.  I think the large spike on the 15th was augmented by the way I assigned higher numbers to stronger events.  That suggests there was a number of big rocks during that time.


It was a bit tedious examining all the 10 minute grabs in detail.  It took about 2 hours and 2 Salty Dogs.  I put on my reading glasses and got close to the screen to better judge each frame for pings and distinguish them from QRM.  I counted the pings using Notepad with four columns for UTC time and a "1" for a ping, a note on small, medium or large and in the fourth column the final adjusted ping number.  The final table was saved then entered into Google Sheets for analysis.  The analysis was easy and fun with Google Sheets doing all the work. 

The main thing you need for a similar project is a nearby QRSS station at just the right distance or antenna orientation to give a clean, stable, not too strong signal so you can see the fuzzy pings

Saturday, December 1, 2018

QRSS Meteor Scatter on 30 and 17m During the November Leonids Meteor Shower


During previous meteor showers W4HBK, WD4AH and WD4ELG have observed meteor pings on 17 and 20m using QRSS techniques at sub-Watt power levels.  As discussed in a previous blogs we needed to adjust our approach for our next shower and see if we could do better on 17m and  go one band lower to 30m.

During the November 2018 Leonids Meteor Shower we used the 17 and 30m QRSS bands to look for meteor pings .  We have previously had moderately good success on 17 and 20m and our goal this test was to improve our success rate using "lessons learned" and to go one band lower and see if pings were observable on 30m.

Experimental setup

W4HBK:  tx on 30m using a U3S running 700 mW to an inverted V antenna and rx on 17m
WD4AH:  tx on 17m using a U3S running 500 mW to a random wire antenna and rx on 30m
WD4ELG rx on 17 and 30m

HBK is 276 miles/444 km from AH and 580 miles/935 km from ELG
ELG is 466 miles/750 km from AH

Based on previous tests we found that a near continuous signal with minimum frequency shift made it easiest to identify pings and can be adjusted for as little dead air time as possible.  Hence we used fskcw with a 1 Hz shift with the dot-second time adjusted to transmit for 9 minutes and allow 1 minute to cool the finals at the end of a 10 minute frame.  The duration of the test was from just after midnight (0700z) to just past Sunrise (1300z).

I also used a program called SeqDownload to record the grabber screens at AH and ELG directly to my computer in real time so that it would not be necessary to download from their archives after the test, via the Internet.  This greatly simplifies and reduces the time to process the data and avoids confusion.



We were able to record many pings on 17m between W4HBK and WD4AH.  Figure 1a is a typical ping and Figure 1b is a stitch of all grabs to give an idea of the total number of observed pings.

Figure 1a  Typical  ping on 17m from WD4AH at W4HBK
Figure 1b  Stitch of all 17m grabbs of WD4AH by W4HBK

WD4AH also had 5 pings on the WD4ELG grabber, Figures 2a and 2b show two examples.

Figure 2a  Meteor Ping of WD4AH received by WD4ELG

Figure 2b  Second example WD4AH at WD4ELG


Only a few weak pings were recorded of W4HBK at WD4ELG, Figures 3a and 3b.
Figure 3a  W4HBK received by WD4ELG on 30m

Figure 3b   W4HBK received by WD4ELG ON 30m

WD4AH recorded a number of pings from W4HBK.  Figures 4a and 4b are representative.  Figure 5 is a stitch of all grabs to give an idea of the total number of pings.  Note at right the band begins to open and HBK's signal becomes a combination of meteor scatter and weak propagation.

Figure 4a  W4HBK received by WD4AH on 30m

Figure 4b  W4HBK received by WD4AH on 30m

Figure 5  Stitch of grabs by WD4AH of W4HBK on 30m

     Special Event

At 0916z all four grabbers recorded pings.  In addition, judging by the long duration of W4HBK at WD4ELG (Figure 3b) this may have been a fireball event.


Meteor scatter is very easy on 17m QRSS over a distance of 276 miles while difficult over  a distances of 466 and 580 miles.

On 30m it is fairly easy on the shorter path and difficult on the longer one.  Additional problems on the lower bands are QRM from other signals and modes of propagation.  Examples of the latter are tropo ducting and unexpected Sporatic E.

Great care must be taken to rule out false pings from these problems.  I do this by looking for letters of the call or elements of the letters as well as the characteristic signature of meteor pings. A single dit or dah at the right time can verify the sending station.

Wednesday, November 14, 2018

Meteor Scatter via 17m and 20m QRSS

This is a summary of  Meteor Scatter test being conducted on 20m by WD4AH, WD4ELG and myself.   G0FTD and company in England have pioneered the use of QRSS on 10m to observe meteor pings and do so on a regular basis.  We have been pushing to explore the bands below 10m to see if meteor scatter can be detected there.  I have observed many pings from a sw brodcast station 220 miles/357 km to the north of me on 12050 kHz so know it's feasible at high power levels but how about at the low powers used by the QRSS community?  As a starting point we have concentrated on 20 and 17m.  WD4AH is 276 miles/444 km ESE of me while WD4ELG is 584 miles/ 935 km NE of me.  The strength of meteor pings decreases as the 4th power of the distance so for identical equipment ELG's signal should be about 20 times weaker than that of AH.

Our first test was on August 13 during the Perseid shower, a second on September 29 during the Sextantid Daytime shower and a third on October 23 during the Orionids shower.

Perseids  -  This was indeed a learning experience for us all.  We attempted to use 2 bands with AH and ELG transmitting on 20m to my  grabber and with me transmitting on 17m to their grabbers.  Here's a spreadsheet of the plan:

Station                 MEPT                                  Grabber                      QRSS Mode

W4HBK         TS-480 @ 5W on 17m         TS-440 on 20m                  CW

WD4AH         U3S @ 1/2W on 20m           SDR on 17m                    DFCW

WD4ELG      U3S @ 1/2W on 20m            SDR on 17m                    FSKCW

AH and ELG immediately ran into a problem of overload of their SDR receivers from their simeltaneious transmission on 20m.  The attempt on 17m was abandoned.

On 20m I  could see two components to their signals one which appeared to be meteor pings and another which appeared to be a contribution from the ionosphere or troposphere.  The skip was unexpected as it occurred between midnight and Sunrise when the band was normally dead as a doornail.  However it was during the Es season so that is a possibility.  We interpreted the results as a weak background of skip punctuated by meteor pings.

As to meteor pings only one possibility was seen on ELG, Figure 1,   while many were seen on AH, Figure 2.

Figure 1.  WD4ELG Meteor Pings
Figure 2a.  WD4AH pings
Figure 2b.  WD4AH pings

Figure 2c.  WD4AH pings

A problem I found in looking for pings was the nature of the message used.   We chose "regular" QRSS messages.   ELG used fsk cw and AH, dfcw, both with a shift of 5 Hz.  The short time span of a ping along with it's Doppler shift made a confusion of the observed data.  Lesson learned: the best signal for ms work is a continuous, unshifted signal but that wouldn't be QRSS, would it.  Likewise  propagation condx which interfere with pings should be avoided if possible.

Sextantids  -   This is a daytime shower about which little is know since most ms observations are oriented towards visual sightings.  We chose a message with only a 1 Hz shift since this is almost a straight line but still a legal  and readable QRSS signal.  The plan was to have WD4ELG and WD4AH transmit on 20m with W4HBK doing the grabbing.  Equipment failure forced ELG off the air but we pressed on with AH's signal.  As if that weren't enough a major RTTY contest started up which forced AH to QSY to the low end of the band at around 14001.84 kHz.  Following this adjustment we recorded numerous pings plus what appeared to be weak skip or tropo as we had seen during the Perseids.

Figures 3a and 3b show some of the pings on individual 10 minute grabs.  Figure 4 is from my slow grabber and shows the overall signal from AH during the test.  The jump in frequency identified as "SL Hiccup" was a spontaneous change in center frequency, a quirk of Spectrum Lab.  Also at 1600z there was a very strong increase in AH for about 3 minutes.  Actually,  I recalled having seen this before on his signal on my 20 and 30m grabbers during regular QRSS activity near Sunrise.  The distance is well within my skip zone and I  rarely see  QRSS stations that are "too close" and which I know are QRV  More about this below.

Figure 3a.  WD4AH pings

Figure 3b.  WD4AH pings

Figure 4.  WD4AH on 8 hr Grabber

I also did a stack of most of the 10 minute frames between 1330z and 1530z that combines all the pings which I will call tropo effect, Figure 5.

Figure 5.  Stack of  WD4AH 10 Minute Grabs

A Google search for what might be the cause of the weak background found that coastal tropo is common in Florida  The path between Alachua and Pensacola indeed skirts the northern Gulf coast and is likely the cause of the background. Generally a vhf/uhf phenomena it decreases with frequency but is probably ignored on HF because of all the other modes of propagation available.

In summary, we believe we have definitely seen many meteor pings on 20m during the Daytime Sextantids Metero shower and possibly have stumbled on a 20m tropo effect which has been ignored or forgotten.

Lessons learned so far: (1) use as continuous a signal as possible with as little frequency shift as possible, (2) check for contests and (3) check equipment including grabbers before the test.

Orionids   For this test W4HBK transmitted a 5 Watt QRSS-CW signal on 17m while WD4AH and WD4ELG did the grabbing honors.

The results for AH were straightforward in that we saw a number of pings with no background as discussed above.  Figure 6 is a stitch of all images and shows the total pings from roughly midnight to sunrise.

Figure 6.  Stitch of WD4AH 10 Minute Grabs

WD4ELG's signal produced what I'm fairly certain are a number of pings but signal fell right between two extraneous lines that often appear on our waterfall displays, Figures 7a,b,c,d.
Figure 7a.  WD4ELG Meteor Pings
Figure 7b.  WD4ELG Meteor Pings
Figure 7c.  WD4ELG Meteor Pings

Figure 7d.  WD4ELG Meteor Pings

In addition there was also a background signal which was probably due to either tropo or ionospheric propagation though the latter would be TOTALLY unexpected for the hours between midnight and sunrise local time.  Figure 8 is a stitch of some of the 10 minute grabs  showing what we think are the meteor pings superimposed on a non-meteor effect during the first half of the image and transitioning to ionospheric skip at Sunrise.  The signal at the lower right is KJ6ANV in New Mexico.  The wavy nature of the signal is probably due to drift in my TS-480 transceiver as it heats and cools during the 10 minute frame.

Figure 8.  Stitch if WD4ELG 10 Minute Grabs
Once more we seem to see a combination of meteor pings overlaying an unexpected effect by either the tropohphere or ionosphere.  The latter could be weak Sporatic E trying to happen and then being augmented by meteors.  Tropospheric ducting can't be ruled out either since the weather pattern over the Southeastern USA has been unusual this year, warmer and wetter with a delay in the cool, clear days normally seen.  This may be conducive to temperature inversions though we did not record wx data during our test period.

We have tried to use lessons learned to improve as we went along but equipment and planning failures still were a problem.  The latter as caused by not being aware of a major RTTY contest which made intolerable QRM.

Our conclusions are that we have definitely seen meteor pings on the shorter path between W4HBK and WD4AH on both 20 and 17m  What seems to be pings on the longer path between W4HBK and WD4ELG is tantalizingly close to certain but needs further study.  As I said in the opening paragraph "The strength of meteor pings decreases as the 4th power of the distance so for identical equipment ELG's signal should be about 20 times weaker than that of AH."